Welcome to Los Alamos! Sylandra, sneaky Soviet spy, wins! America slightly wins.

Allyrianne

@Tremula I know, I just initially took your statement about the note to mean that nothing at all had happened to you the first night, and was then making sure I did not misunderstand again. I'd also appreciate both you and Synkarin expanding a little bit to see if we can work out stylistic differences. For instance, Othero and Luce were both fired. Tarkenton admits to one of them, but not the other. But "attacks" sounds more violent. Also if we're looking at two attempts the first night (one of which succeeded), only one attempt the second night (which succeeded), and two attempts the third night (none of which succeeded), that's pretty valuable information. 

Night 1: 

1. Sylandra sends for information on Synkarin and Ieptix

2. Lavinya is blocked and seems happy to do paperwork

3. Synkarin targets Lavinya with one team, protects himself with the other?

4. Luce presumeably protects someone

5. Othero is escorted off by Tarkenton's group

6. Ieptix does nothing, powerless town that he is

7. Celina investigates Luce? (I don't think we actually know for sure who Celina investigated night 1)

8. Ushaara ???

9. Tarkenton fires Othero

10. Chirbo investigates Sylandra

11. Tremula blocks Lavinya and is attacked by someone

12. Allyrianne may have travelled, may have not. For my own safety, I'd prefer to leave the details of how my trips are scheduled vague. Suffice to say that on nights when I don't travel, I sit around twiddling my thumbs.

Night 2

1. Sylandra retrieves information on Ieptix and Synkarin

2. Lavinya ???

3. Synkarin targets Celina with one team, protects himself with the other?

4. Luce is fired by ???

6. Ieptix does nothing, powerless town that he is

7. Celina investigates Tremula

8. Ushaara ???

9. Tarkenton does nothing

10. Chirbo investigates Celina

11. Tremula tries to block Sylandra

12. Allyrianne may have travelled, may have not. 

Night 3

1. Sylandra retrieves information on Klaus Fuchs

2. Lavinya ???

3. Synkarin watches Chirbo with one team, protects himself with another. Is attacked by ???

6. Ieptix does nothing, powerless town that he is, but someone rifles through his papers while he's out

8. Ushaara ???

9. Tarkenton does nothing

10. Chirbo investigates Tremula

11. Tremula tries to block Allyrianne is attacked by ???

12. Allyrianne went on a trip.

So, this is interesting, because we have three (supposed) attempted actions that no one has claimed Night 3: The attack on Synkarin, the attack on Tremula, and the rifle through Ieptix's stuff.

We do not know Lavinya or Ushaara's actions.

Tarkenton and Ieptix have claimed to do nothing with no outside confirmation. 

Chirbo

Something about Ieptix though, I feel I should have investigated him or Ally. This game is less informative than the last

Synkarin

I watched Lavinya and tracked Tarkenton the first night

Lavinya

Holy crap 72 posts while I'm sleeping, many pegging me s scum. I'm on my phone getting kids to school but I'll be back with a proper informative past soon.

Lavinya

Goddamn typos and no edit. You suck, auto correct

Lavinya

Ok, so. I've been reading back through this thread and looking up the people that have been claimed to try and help me make sense of all this. One thing that has me confused is the line of what defines scum and town. If it's purely pro bomb versus don't agree entirely with the bomb, then can one of you science nerds please help me understand this - http://www.atomicheritage.org/profile/henry-stimson - where it pretty much says the SoW thought that bombing Japanese cities and citizens was unethical war practice, and was also hesitant about dropping the bombs without alerting Japan.

I don't think our SoW is scum, I'm just nervous about clearing people as innocent because of their claim when there's every chance that things aren't that simple. ESPECIALLY since we know there is a third party involved.

I am Richard Tolman. I don't have any night powers. (Confirmed by being blocked night one while Tremula was still attacked, heck she verified it herself.) What I do have is a one off day power which I have not activated yet and won't use unless I am very certain. I don't know if revealing it will help or hinder, to be honest, but I can if needed. No, I'm not a bomb or day-vig.

I'm not knowledgable enough to pick out roles based on vague clues. I don't even know much about my own role save what I was told (the wiki didn't give me much more info). I am a scientific advisor who is not directly involved in the project, which is why I presume I don't have night abilities, just the day one in keeping with the flavour.

Moving along - Why do we have so many people taking trips? Why aren't they all working? We know why Sylandra skipped out, but why did Allyrianne? I'm sure it will look like retaliatory suspicion, but I find her absence last night a possible indicator that she is the third party and was off doing whatever a third party would do in this game. There are also a lot of night immunities it seems - Synkarin protecting himself, Tremula with 3 no death passes, Tarkenton with a no death pass, and we had a doctor. That's a lot of night safety - would it really make sense to have so much town unable to be fired through the night? It doesn't sit right with me. 

Also Sylandra's information revealed that someone has changed their name just this day. So...actually this is tricky. It could be someone who already revealed and we just assume they are still who they said, it could be someone who conveniently revealed today, or someone who has yet to make their name known. Hrm. 

If there hadn't been so many 'Lavinya is highly suspicious I want to hear from her' calls I probably wouldn't have revealed my role because I have no idea if it would seem like a guilty person or not, being only indirectly involved. Not knowing is scary, yo.

Sylandra

Well, Chirbo has been right so far, re: me and Celina. So I'm inclined to assume he's right about Tremula too.

I agree it's strange that Allyrianne's travel kind of mimicked my own. Considering my role feels very much like an Ahab to Fuchs's Moby Dick, there was a flag that went up for me when she claimed it. But that could just be a red herring planted by Silvanus, honestly. Who knows? Like you said, there are a bizarre amount of immunities this game.

Also I completely lost track of the vote count. @Silvanus, can you refresh us?

Ieptix

Pretty sure vote is 1 for Tartar and 2 for Ush? But not positive on that.

Lavinya said:

Ok, so. I've been reading back through this thread and looking up the people that have been claimed to try and help me make sense of all this. One thing that has me confused is the line of what defines scum and town. If it's purely pro bomb versus don't agree entirely with the bomb, then can one of you science nerds please help me understand this - http://www.atomicheritage.org/profile/henry-stimson - where it pretty much says the SoW thought that bombing Japanese cities and citizens was unethical war practice, and was also hesitant about dropping the bombs without alerting Japan.

Wikipedia says he pushed pretty hard for the bombings in Japan; he also wasn't publically/vocally antagonistic about the use of the weapons, as were Oppenheimer and Szilard. Indeed, the page you posted specifically says he supported the bombings after the fact. It turns out he was the one responsible for getting the Kyoto (a primarily civilian population without as much military significance) replaced with Nagasaki as one of the bomb targets.

I'm also not completely convinced that it's necessarily anti-bomb vs pro-bomb. What seems most likely to me is, in the alternative history of the mafia game, the Soviets went after people who were the most severely disillusioned post-Manhattan Project (e.g. Szilard), and managed to convince them to go turncoat (i.e. become radicalized, as mentioned in Celina's role text).

I'm also not sure that the spy Sylandra discovered is third-party; if the game is fundamentally Soviets vs. Allies (which seems likely, whatever the specifics), why would that person not simply be part of the mafia instead of a third party? Did I misread something? Klaus Fuchs was an actual Soviet spy who was part of the Manhattan Project/Los Alamos lab, so I'm not convinced there's reason to not have him be part of the mafia, unless again I overlooked something posted above.

I haven't had a chance to do research based on Ally's clue to figure out her role, so I'm not sure how credible/reasonable/not-scummy her flight is atm.

I should note that the person who went through my office was going through work related specifically to further weapons development, which the Soviets are very interested in, so it's likely Klaus who investigated me. There is a reasonable chance that this could end up being a very bad thing. I think it is imperative to figure out who the spy is, regardless of if he's mafia or otherwise.

Sylandra

Ieptix said:

I'm also not sure that the spy Sylandra discovered is third-party; if the game is fundamentally Soviets vs. Allies (which seems likely, whatever the specifics), why would that person not simply be part of the mafia instead of a third party? Did I misread something? Klaus Fuchs was an actual Soviet spy who was part of the Manhattan Project/Los Alamos lab, so I'm not convinced there's reason to not have him be part of the mafia, unless again I overlooked something posted above.

I haven't had a chance to do research based on Ally's clue to figure out her role, so I'm not sure how credible/reasonable/not-scummy her flight is atm.

I should note that the person who went through my office was going through work related specifically to further weapons development, which the Soviets are very interested in, so it's likely Klaus who investigated me. There is a reasonable chance that this could end up being a very bad thing. I think it is imperative to figure out who the spy is, regardless of if he's mafia or otherwise.

Oh, huh, maybe. The flavortext didn't explicitly say "third party," I just made the leap based on Celina's flip. It's definitely possible he's mafia, it just seemed so singularly about him and not a group of people that it seemed like a separate 3rd party to me, especially coupled with the double-kill attempt claims. But people have misread flavortext before, so it's good to discuss!

And that sounds very, very bad, Ieptix. Oi.  :-SS

Silvanus

Day Four, First Vote Count

Tarkenton - Ushaara (1)

Ushaara - Tarkenton, Tremula (2)

At Los Alamos, it takes FIVE votes to reach a majority.

Ieptix

I have a couple ideas of who Allyrianne could be, and they seem reasonably Town-y, but there are quite a few individuals who seem to fit her limited list of clues as to her role. She's also one of the people who waited until today to reveal anything about her role, so it's possible that she is our spy.

Updating my list of roles, as well as the day of claim and/or confirmations for each:

1. Sylandra - Some poncy Brit (Claimed day 3)

2. Lavinya - Richard Tolman (Claimed day 4)

3. Synkarin - Vannevar Bush (Claimed day 4, confirmed night 2 by Sylandra)

4. Luce - Stafford Warren (Revealed night 2)

5. Othero - Edward Teller (Revealed night 1)

6. Ieptix - Unclaimed (though confirmed night 2 by Sylandra)

7. Celina - Leo Szilard (Revealed day 3)

8. Ushaara - Oppenheimer (claimed day 4, but dropped hints earlier in game)

9. Tarkenton - Leslie Groves (Claimed day 4)

10. Chirbo - Enrico Fermi (Claimed day 3)

11. Tremula - Henry Stimson (Claimed day 4, confirmed night 1?)

12. Allyrianne - Unclaimed, but I have a few options

Day 4 claims/unknowns (without prior confirmations) are then me, Allyrianne, Tarkenton, Ushaara, Lavinya.

I am town as confirmed by Sylandra before the spy went into play. Allyrianne is still an unknown, so could be the spy. Tarkenton has fit his role from day 1, as has Ushaara; I think both of them are who they claim to be (alignment notwithstanding). Lavinya claimed today, so could also be the spy. Though if the spy knew what role they'd be taking later in the game, they could play to that role from the get-go. There's no way for us to know until either they're killed or the game ends, alas.

So our likely spy candidates are Lavinya and Allyrianne. Allyrianne's hints point to reasonably major players, though again the hints were vague enough that it's hard to make a call for sure. Lavinya's claim seems to be of someone who is largely inconsequential on the whole, especially as compared to all of the other names we're throwing around here. That makes sense for a spy; if you're spying, you want to get in and be important enough to have access to information, but unimportant enough to be out of the spotlight. I think Lavinya is the most likely spy.

I do still think Ushaara would make the third mafia member, based on the names we have available and assuming Lavinya is the spy, but Allyrianne's role could change that as well.

Ieptix

I think it likely that the spy was in their own role from day 1 until today, since their name is specifically mentioned in Sylandra's flavour text, as well as Klaus having been a member of the Manhattan Project under his own name.

Also, rereading Sylandra's post confirms that Klaus did indeed manage to steal information and send it to the Soviets, which is very likely what happened when my office was searched, and again I will reiterate that this is a very bad thing.

Sylandra

I'm torn on Tark but want to agree that he's safe because my flavortext in my role PM explicitly mentioned being bros with Groves, so I expected to see him in the game.

...but also part of me wonders if this is an elaborate mindfuck where my friend is secretly actually the enemy in disguise, oh no. How devious are you, Silvanus?! That is the question.

Tarkenton

Just to reiterate. Am not scum. Could have lied when Synkarin called me out, didn't. I have nothing to hide. I'd agree with Lavinya or Ally being the spy. Do we wish to select one to fire, then proceed with a vig on another?

Lavinya

Allyrianne has also been super secretive about her power too. So has Ieptix for that matter. We know Ieptix isn't the spy as confirmed as Sylandra, but pretty sure she didn't come out and say that he was town? Or am I misremembering, hardto check on phone. 'Confirmed' may not be as confirmed aswe thought. In fact, he could even be the spy and made up the bit about his stuff being rifled through.

My day power can be very very useful for getting rid of a scum. In the name of self-preservation I obviously don't want to be lynched. I am more suspicious of Allyrianne and would vote for her; I can always be vig-killed tonight (though I would rather not, of course) and have Chirbo investigate Ushaara or Ieptix.  Or you can lynch me and at least not lose an important night power, but I don't think we have the numbers to waste on an innocent lynch.

Sylandra

If we do this, it makes more sense to lynch Allyrianne, as she has "trips" at night that might function as protections. Lavinya hasn't listed any to be concerned about, but hinted at a daypower. Does anyone have any concerns about the plan?

Ieptix

Sylandra confirmed me as town, iirc. I've not been secretive about my power; I don't have one. I would have been a mason with Othero if Tark hadn't vig'd him night one, but he did so I'm not.

I'm also rather curious what day power you could have that isn't a day-kill, since you mentioned earlier that it isn't that. My best guess is some sort of vote modification, but that seems rather, well, spy-ish to me anyway. >.>

Anyhow, strategy-wise, I'm thinking something like this:

- Lynch Lavinya.

- If Lavinya isn't the spy, vigkill Allyrianne (unless she presents a reasonable and strong defense during the day, including a role claim, even then maybe?).

- Investigate Ushaara for sure; I'd like to finally know one way or the other if he's mafia.

- If Ushaara ends up being scum like I'm thinking, then we lynch him day 5 and we are victorious (probably). If he's not scum, then I'm not sure where else to look.

If neither Lavinya nor Allyrianne are the spy, then I'm at a complete loss what to do. If Ushaara isn't scum, then we'll need to figure something else out to clinch the win (unless Lavi and Ally are both the remaining mafia, then Ushaara doesn't end up mattering).

Ieptix

People need to stop posting while I'm typing. :C

I want to lynch Lavinya because I think she's the most likely spy, but lynching Ally is reasonable too. However, if Lavinya -is- the spy, then it's also reasonable that she's lying about a lack of night powers that could come back and bite us. Then again, we don't know what Ally's power exactly involves, either.

Sylandra

Well, to be fair, I only know Ieptix's name and Synkarin's name, and that they aren't the spy. I wasn't given alignment or role power, just the name and the thumbs up that they aren't Soviet spies.

So take that with what grain of salt you will.

PS: Think Chirbo exhausted all his investigations?

Ieptix

Completely unrelated to the game itself, but this is the first online mafia game I've ever done and damn this game is bloody like crack in forums form.

Ieptix

I didn't remember Chirbo having limited investigations? So many details to keep track of. T.T

You said in your post that I was 100% townie, but re-reading it you made that claim based on googling my role name, so I guess I'm not actually completely confirmed townie, but I am definitely not the spy (and I also definitely am townie whether you want to believe me or not >( ).

Sylandra

I believe you! Your rolename is very solid. And it goes well with the power claim you made.

Ieptix

That particular comment was for Lavinya; I figured you believed me given your post.

Lavinya

Oh he said today he had 3 investigations didn't he? But he was lynch proof for the whole game? Something for the whole game, I forget which.

(this is total forums Crack. So much refreshing. )

Ieptix

I went back and read, he claimed he had perm lynch proof + 3 investigations, the last of which would have been used last night on Tremula.

Lavinya

I don't believe anyone! #Foreverburnedby @Synkarin

Tarkenton

Unvote

Vote Allyrianne

The trips are just too convenient, and with them, there's a good chance that if we don't off her during the day, she'll get away during the night. If she flips town, hopefully we can drop Lavi for playing us. Or something.

Lavinya

Tarkenton just wants to visit my office at night, uhuh *winkwinknudgenudgegrowlhubbahubba*

If Allyrianne is not a spy, I would dismiss myself in disgrace (except I can't) so instead I'll leave the door open for Tarkenton. I know I'm not the spy, so it pretty much has to be Allyrianne or maybe Ushaara, but the prominence of his role from what I've read doesn't make me think spy. Possible radical? I'm not sure. Maybe he can shed some more light on just what important work he gets up to at night.

Vote Allyrianne

Sylandra

Here's hoping.

Vote Allyrianne.

Ieptix

I'm still convinced that Ushaara is a radical; his role is basically the only unconfirmed role that makes sense to have the power to dismiss people, which is a role that has to exist somewhere in the mafia.

I still want to lynch Lavinya instead of Allyrianne, because based on claims Allyrianne may well be town, and Lavinya's tiny little role seems just too convenient, but that's too tenuous to go full bore on and apparently the tide is in favour of offing Allyrianne, so I guess Vote: Allyrianne.