I feel like we're getting no where in this game. No one is willing to be aggressive and it seems there's a lot of conflicting wins and powers that we're not sure what's going on. If people do not have anyone they're really suspicious of and think we should focus on then I'm going to suggest we take a look at non-talkers/low effort posters.
Ellowyn, the reason I haven't revealed my role is that I am no longer under the microscope (as I was when Ieptix spoke), and knowledge of my role puts me at much greater risk from the monsters.
I'm at work right now so I can't do a huge effort post but I do know I want to hear more from @Yavina. Most of their posts have been low substance and really breezy.
I took a good risk on Synkarin and it didn't pan out at all, so I'm really hesitant to be pointing fingers more at this point. I'm just not getting a good read on anyone, and it's hard to tell what is fishy and what isn't.
*scoffs* Low substance and breezy... Why point fingers at me when there are several still who haven't even claimed that they're innocence yet! Like Falmiis, who was pointed out the other day by Ellowyn to have had suspicions on Silvanus, even to the point of voting for them before switching his vote with little regard to his own suspicion. If he's so quick to change votes, who says he cares at all who dies? He could be a monster! Especially considering that he hasn't even bothered to state for the truth-detecting record that he's not a monster and he wins when the rebellion is put down!
If I didn't care who died I wouldn't have insisted voted a known survivor whose powers was seen as being potentially dangerous. I also would have voted for Synkarin, but you'll find that I was one of the few people who actually said we shouldn't because I found his claim to be believable and not particularly harmful. Nice attempt at deflecting the attention though.
Feel free to investigate this post at any point, should you find me suspicious. If everyone posts this, we will have a second, day-powered investigator, which can be invaluable.
I must see rebelling monsters dead in order to win.
Then we had Ellowyn make her own little declaration that Krackenor tried to lie-check against and we got the result of a cat speaking for her or whatever, which... we're just cool with for now, I guess.
And then there's me saying I have no killing powers.
At this point, we might have a devil of a time getting any sort of lie-checking done - but it's still a possibility. So I'm more willing to trust the folks that have made any statement at all over none. Maybe everyone should be obliged to make some sort of statement they are comfortable with, and we can go from there?
Something to think about while I go back to review posts and continue to check on who said what.
Othero never did expound on that, did he? If he's got to see certain monsters dead (but not all of them), then it stands to reason he at least has a few names (or monster species?) to share. Knowing some of what we're all looking for would be good.
I can make a statement but I'd rather save the fact check for role reveals (such as confirming my own should I ever have need to protest my innocence) than something that could potentially be misleading. That is presuming there is a limited number of posts that can be checked?
I feel it's too early to reveal my hand. This is a strange game, there is a lot of uncertainty around the win conditions that I think has everyone a little wary about sharing anything in case it makes them look bad.
For the moment I am ok with applying some pressure to Other to explain why he doesn't care about killing monsters.
I'm pretty sure Krackenor said he could only check one post at all ever, since he got a gimped version of Synkarin's power (which was 1/day). Am I mis-remembering?
Ah, found the post. One post, but can recharge it by lynching someone anti-god, if I understand right. At least, that's what he claims. I still have a microscope tyvm.
Also, when Buddha died, I absorbed a watered down version of his power. I can discern the truth of a post ONCE, though I can recharge this ability by participating in the elimination of a player with ill intent towards the Gods.
So yeah. It isn't likely, but it isn't impossible for us to see it in use again.
Also, I totally forgot Dylara making her own statement - don't forget that one.
Hmm...this is a though decision. Since Krackenor does not seem to be able to use his power until it is recharged, we are stuck with what has been revealed until this point. Judging from the statements we have heard, it would probably most logical to vote for Othero. However, I am still not sure.
Sure, I'm Cerberus. This technically makes me a monster, if anyone has an alignment ability I bet I'll show as a monster, but I'm not rebelling and think the whole war is really stupid. My problem is that as the guard of the underworld I need to keep things from getting in and from getting out. Something got out. The Empusa escaped and it's my job to track her down. All I know though is that she is with the rebelling monsters.
Ok, that's not 100% true but as we're not getting anywhere I think it is worth including what I got last night. If I am the last lynch vote I can get a piece of info related to my target. I now know that Empusa was someone who voted for Buddha.
Well okay. So I'm thinking that even if Othero is telling the truth about not being part of the rebelling monsters we should eventually get rid of him because I'd rather not let a monster win.
However, I do believe what he is saying about Empusa and think we should focus on one of the people who voted for Synkarin. Even if we don't get Empusa there is a good chance that there are other rebelling monsters among that group, especially given what Ieptix reportedly intercepted from the mafia. I'll Vote Yavina. She was part of the lynch vote on Synkarin (7th vote, just before he was lynched in fact). When Othero pointed out her lack of contributions she provided no real defence and instead tried to deflect the attention onto me. I should also point out that when Krackenor revealed he had a one-shot lie detection and clearly asked Ellowyn to state her alignment, Yavina was very quick to do so to "not look like one of the bad guys". There was no pressure on her to do so, but given Krackenor had already said it was a one-shot and it was clear he was going to use it on Ellowyn it seems like an over-eager attempt to convince us of her alignment.
Well okay. So I'm thinking that even if Othero is telling the truth about not being part of the rebelling monsters we should eventually get rid of him because I'd rather not let a monster win.
Here's something to consider.
Krackenor and Ssaliss have both said that they are not rebelling monsters, and that they must see all rebelling monsters dead to win. But... that doesn't necessarily mean they are gods. Or angels. Or whatever. They could be anything, really. What if they both turn out to be monsters with conflicting agendas from the mafia?
I'm sure we'll have a better idea as things go on, but until we have a clearer picture of the whole, this might be an unhealthy attitude to espouse.
Something else also occurred to me. Ssaliss said he was attacked by fey (but protected by whatever it was he was fed), and concluded that this was the monster's kill method/attempt. But, aren't fey supposed to be fairies? So fairies = monsters? Maybe I just don't know my mythical beastology that well, but is this really a standard conclusion to make? The more I read over it, the more I don't see how he made this conclusion. I assume fairy types to be more just a general legendary/mythical creature than outright monster. Yes, no?
To be precise, I was savagely attacked by fey. This was later clarified to be "savaged my monsters" by Kiradawea, but it was something I had assumed all along.
I guess it also might depend on my definition of "monster". In my book, there are, in essence, three different beings: Gods, Humans, and Monsters. This seems to be somewhat "confirmed" as well; Luce would have been investigated as a God due to his close nature to Inari, Silvanus investigated as Monster, as would (apparently) Othero. I'm assuming Shaddus would have investigated as a God as well, considering he was an arch-angel. Fey, however, aren't gods, and they aren't humans, so they would, if my theory is correct, be classified as monsters.
This also brings up another interesting point: We're fighting against rebelling monsters. Not Evil. Not Good. Just rebels. We can't just assume that we'd know a rebelling monster by sight alone; it's entirely possible that there are "Good" monsters among the rebels. Who knows, it could even be that there are "Evil" monsters that would fight along us against the rebels.
That was also the reason I specifically specified "I'm not a rebelling monster" (or however I phrased it, exactly). I'm not a monster (rebelling or otherwise), but I saw very early on that there would certainly be a potential for non-rebelling monsters (and it turns out there was). Of course, this makes it even harder for us to find the rebels, but... yeah.
It should be noted that I am a Legend, not a God or a Monster. Typically, humans are just pawns in my little games according to my wiki. I don't know where that fits in the grand scheme of things.
2014/04/19 01:38:01 - Leolamins drained 2000000 power to raise Silvanus as a Vernal Ascendant.
2014/07/23 05:01:29 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Munsia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:07 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Arimisia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:58 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Lavinya as a Vernal Ascendant.
Well okay. So I'm thinking that even if Othero is telling the truth about not being part of the rebelling monsters we should eventually get rid of him because I'd rather not let a monster win.
However, I do believe what he is saying about Empusa and think we should focus on one of the people who voted for Synkarin. Even if we don't get Empusa there is a good chance that there are other rebelling monsters among that group, especially given what Ieptix reportedly intercepted from the mafia. I'll Vote Yavina. She was part of the lynch vote on Synkarin (7th vote, just before he was lynched in fact). When Othero pointed out her lack of contributions she provided no real defence and instead tried to deflect the attention onto me. I should also point out that when Krackenor revealed he had a one-shot lie detection and clearly asked Ellowyn to state her alignment, Yavina was very quick to do so to "not look like one of the bad guys". There was no pressure on her to do so, but given Krackenor had already said it was a one-shot and it was clear he was going to use it on Ellowyn it seems like an over-eager attempt to convince us of her alignment.
I totally get this argument and is why I was nervous about sharing all of my powers. However, I can help out the town and we have mutually beneficial win requirements. A town win is a win for me as long as I am part of lynch against empusa. As long as I get the last lynch on someone I'm going to get info that will help the town know who at least one member of the rebelling monsters is.
the lyncher -> Othero, Yavina, Ssaliss, (Dylara voted then unvoted), Lavinya, Vivet, Aerudeth, Tekora
It took 8 to lynch but that was only 7. I am pretty confident I didn't miss anyone, but that could mean a double vote somewhere. In the previous game I just ran, Ushaara had a hidden double vote power.
+ Krackenor.
So empusa has to be one of these people (not Tekora, obviously).
Also, I'd be interested in hearing from Aerdureth. He's kind of flown under the radar so far, asking questions but not really providing any information of opinion.
And of those, Yavina has not only made a lie-claim check, but also claimed to be a god. Now that I think more on that, this makes Falmiis reactively voting on Yavina seem rather suspicious to me. He's trying to claim that Yavina only did that because it was "safe" to do it when Krackenor was angling to use his power on Ellowyn. But the thing is, Krackenor didn't -have- to do that. Additionally, claiming a god at this point is probably the riskiest thing anyone can do.
Synkarin might be gone, but I'll be hard pressed to believe there is no investigator out there. Saying "I am not a rebelling monster" is pretty easy to say if you will still turn up as a monster on investigation. But if a monster tries to claim god, and an investigation reveals them as monster, then the investigator will know they are not only a monster but a blatant liar as well. So that would be a stupidly risky move on Yavina's part if they are a monster. Similarly, Yavina is now alongside Ellowyn (and perhaps Dylara) as most vulnerable due to the nature of the wording they have chosen, should she not be in the mafia.
I am inclined to leave Yavina, Ellowyn, and Dylara alone. @Aerdureth might speak more. Lavinya has been oddly defensive, but it bothers me less than Aerdureth's silence.
Even at that, if Falmiis can't provide a reasonable explanation for his reactive vote, I'm might just join Yavina in voting for him.
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Vote: Falmiis
Yavina: 12
Aerdureth: 15
Vivet: 16
Dylara: 18
Lavinya: 19
Othero: 20
Ellowyn: 20
Silvanus: 21
Falmiis: 22
Celina: 24
Ieptix: 25
Krackenor: 27
Ssaliss: 52
Vote: Othero
For not having to see all monsters dead.
However, I do believe what he is saying about Empusa and think we should focus on one of the people who voted for Synkarin. Even if we don't get Empusa there is a good chance that there are other rebelling monsters among that group, especially given what Ieptix reportedly intercepted from the mafia. I'll Vote Yavina. She was part of the lynch vote on Synkarin (7th vote, just before he was lynched in fact). When Othero pointed out her lack of contributions she provided no real defence and instead tried to deflect the attention onto me. I should also point out that when Krackenor revealed he had a one-shot lie detection and clearly asked Ellowyn to state her alignment, Yavina was very quick to do so to "not look like one of the bad guys". There was no pressure on her to do so, but given Krackenor had already said it was a one-shot and it was clear he was going to use it on Ellowyn it seems like an over-eager attempt to convince us of her alignment.
I guess it also might depend on my definition of "monster". In my book, there are, in essence, three different beings: Gods, Humans, and Monsters. This seems to be somewhat "confirmed" as well; Luce would have been investigated as a God due to his close nature to Inari, Silvanus investigated as Monster, as would (apparently) Othero. I'm assuming Shaddus would have investigated as a God as well, considering he was an arch-angel. Fey, however, aren't gods, and they aren't humans, so they would, if my theory is correct, be classified as monsters.
This also brings up another interesting point: We're fighting against rebelling monsters. Not Evil. Not Good. Just rebels. We can't just assume that we'd know a rebelling monster by sight alone; it's entirely possible that there are "Good" monsters among the rebels. Who knows, it could even be that there are "Evil" monsters that would fight along us against the rebels.
That was also the reason I specifically specified "I'm not a rebelling monster" (or however I phrased it, exactly). I'm not a monster (rebelling or otherwise), but I saw very early on that there would certainly be a potential for non-rebelling monsters (and it turns out there was). Of course, this makes it even harder for us to find the rebels, but... yeah.